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I’ve been waiting to use that title for ages. There was an excellent article in Friday’s Guardian on class in the British indie scene:

The British indie scene has never been so divided, and the two sides are facing off across a sticky dancefloor over the issue of class. Just ask Coventry Britrockers the Enemy. An interview with singer Tom Clarke last year saw him berating rival bands whose backgrounds he considered to border on the aristocratic. “I think having working-class roots does mean better songs as they are songs the majority can relate to,” he told the Sun. “If you live in a castle, you’re going to write about living in a castle and who wants to hear a fucking song about a castle?”

Those supposedly up in the turrets were never going to take that lying down, and so, sure enough, earlier this year Observer Music Monthly ran an article featuring the privately educated Foals, Ox.Eagle.Lion.Man and These New Puritans, proclaiming the arrival of “a new class of smart, literate British bands challenging the lumbering louts of indie rock” and deriding bands whose members look like “plumbers”. This in turn provoked NME features editor James McMahon to fire off an enraged letter to the paper warning that “the views expressed by the privately educated bands reeked of an inherent fear of the working classes”.

We do indeed seem to be seeing a divergence of indie music between arty middle-class indiedisco and laddish working-class garage rock. Personally I like both, and have never been taken with the notion that art should be judged on the class nature of the artists involved. In fact, the tension that occurs due to class differences in pop music can be fascinating. (Radiohead are a fine example- a band who shortly after completing their expensive private education reportedly saw a TV programme about public (i.e. private) schoolboys and had a moment of Zen-like insight- “That’s us! And we’re a bunch of wankers!” This self-deprecation, and a social awkwardness and liberal guilt informed by it, has formed the basis of their worldview ever since.) The problem with such a zero-sum equation of ‘lads vs. toffs’ is that it ignores the spectrum which exists between these extremes, and the fact that the bands which do exist at the extremes are often not terribly good.

Nethertheless a polarisation is occuring and this is largley due to the way the development of indie in recent years reflects the development of post-punk music in the 1980s. Punk drew in people from all sorts of backgrounds, from football hooligans to socialists to National Front thugs to art students and fashion designers. Once the initial energy of 1977 faded away the remaining components forged in different directions, creating two souls of punk.

On one side was the US Hardcore and UK Oi! scenes, with their parady of working-class yobbishness, championed by figures such as International Socialist turned English Democrat Gary Bushell. On the other side was the new wave art collective approach, which somtimes exhuded middle-class privilege. Pere Ubu, for example, claimed that only the borgeoise could make revolutionary music, as unlike the working-class they could create without worrying about the financial consequences of artistic decisions.

If in the ‘post-punk revival’ of the early 2000s the Libertines were the new Clash, then the Strokes were the new Television. Since then modern indie has eveloved along similar lines to eighties post-punk, bringing us to the stand-off described in this article. If the Enemy are the new (albeit Northern) Cockney Rejects, then Foals are the new Talking Heads. But there’s more to it than that…

The spectre of Oasis looms large over any discussion of class and today’s indie scene. For the cultural commentator Jon Savage, the Gallaghers’ “class fundamentalism” delivered a crushing blow to the idea of aspirational working-class music. “Oasis were so big that they could have done anything they wanted to - they could have done incredible things with their position, but they chose to put themselves in a box and be a malign influence,” he says. “There was that famous quote of Noel Gallagher saying that he never reads books. Compare that to the Manic Street Preachers - they came from a South Walian valleys tradition, an old Labour tradition of education and hard work and self improvement, which is a very strong part of working-class history, but something Oasis always rejected. Oasis are a very fundamentalist act, in their attitude to class and their attitude to music. In a way they’re very reactionary.”

Bands like the Manic Street Preachers subvert the media created perception of an ignorant, dangerous and violent working-class, and this is why they are important. Likewise, Radiohead illustrate that not everyone who comes out of a fee paying school is actually a wanker, despite the best efforts of the private education system. It’s important to recognise that- as with the ‘Battle of Britpop’- the music press fuels this sort of class war narrative for it’s own entertainment, and we should avoid taking sides when both are defined in such a stereotyped way.



{October 1, 2008}   Who Killed Amanda Palmer?

On her YouTube account Amanda Palmer, front woman of punk cabaret duo the Dresden Dolls, has posted videos for the first eight tracks from her début solo album. They’re all fantastic and when viewed in order tell a somewhat cryptic story. Check them out below.

Also- here’s a great interview with the Manic Street Preachers by Simon Price. It focuses on their early years on independent label Heavenly Records. Part 2 provides some great insight into the tracks the band recorded for the label, on the brilliant Motown Junk and You Love Us EPs.

Finally- this blog is getting a re-design, to look a bit more like a proper music site. Hopefully the writing will improve as well, but still retain a healthy dose of unpredictibility. Stay tuned.

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{March 10, 2008}   Review: NME Big Gig 2008

08228_200606_cribsjohnnymarrsm_02.jpgThis is a little late I know- it’s been well over a week since this gig took place. But hey, that’s the nature of blogging…

This was the first gig I’d been to in the redeveloped Millenium Dome in Greenwich, now home to all manner of corporate sponsored delights including an 18,000 capacity concert arena. The venue is suprisingly good; the sound is decent, except at the very front, and it’s quite surprising how easy it is to get to the barrier given the size of the crowd. The standing area itself doesn’t feel much bigger than a standard club venue; clearly you wouldn’t get the same experience from the stands, but then if you’ve ever made the mistake of buying a seated ticket for a rock gig, you’ll know that already.

The Cribs have brought Johnny Marr with them to help out on guitar duties. The veteran Smiths axe-smith adds a welcome clout to their sound as they run through the best cuts from Men’s Needs, including Be Safe, with Sonic Youth guitarist Lee Ranaldo’s spoken word part projected onto the screen behind them. So many big names in indie recognise their excellence so why aren’t they put higher on the bill and given a longer set? Instead we get NME luvvies The Klaxons, who take to the stage dressed in black robes with pixie hoods. During their set you sometimes wonder whether you’re at a prog rock concert, an indie rock gig or a rave. Girls wave glowsticks at the edge of the crowd while guys slam dance in the middle. It all whiffs a bit of art student wankiness; everyone else seems to enjoy it, but I’m looking at my watch before too long.

08228_211519_blocpartypaphot_06.jpgBloc Party are another matter all together, having both the guitar riffs (Helicopter) and synth riffs (Flux) to combine rock and rave and make it work. Kele Okereke clearly lives for playing live, and the smile on his face during Flux and The Prayer reveals how pleased he is that the band’s new direction has gone down well with fans. They easily provide the best performance so far and everyone seems exhausted by the time they leave the stage. It’s probably fair to say that the Kaiser Chiefs would never have achieved the status they have without charismatic frontman Ricky Wilson. Essentially they are an updated and Northern version of Blur, with all the positives and negatives that entails. The predicable riot occurs during I Predict A Riot, and Ricky Wilson dives in the crowd on two occasions, the second time balancing along the perimeter wall to reach the very centre of the area. All good fun, but rather lacking the substance and depth of the bands billed either side of them.

Which brings us to Manic Street Preachers, who have landed the headlining slot after being given the Godlike Genius award by the NME. Rather bizarrely they are welcomed on-stage by a leopard skin clad Scottish marching band. Once the pipers have gone, the Manics open their set by blasting through some of their fastest and heaviest songs; Masses Against The Classes, Motorcycle Emptiness, Autumnsong, You Love Us (featuring Tom Clarke from The Enemy on rhythm guitar) and Faster. Later in the set Catatonia’s Cerys Matthews joins the band for Your Love Alone Is Not Enough, and the cover of Rhianna’s Umbrella (below) is pure comedy.

08228_224823_manicstreet2biggigpa.jpgMore videos from all of the bands who played can be found on philporter1974’s YouTube channel. I’m a little concious that this blog is becoming something of a Manic’s lovefest, so I won’t say much more about their set except that it was damn good. What’s interesting to me is that when the Manics started out they set themselves against the indie mainstream, and now the indie mainstream is awarding them accolades, and they are quite happy to except them. So, what has changed? Certainly the Manics have changed, become older, more mellow and less combative than they were previously. But also indie music has change immensely in the last 15 years, with little evidence now of the awful baggy/shoegazing trends which were prevalent when the Manics first emerged. This is undoubtedly a good thing, and shows that whilst it might now be a little past its sell-by date the post punk revival has had a very positive effect on indie music during the past five years.



Noel Gallagher with union flag guitarWhat was Britpop?

What was Britpop? In musical terms, Britpop was guitar pop music, with its roots in the independent music scene established during the eighties. The relative amounts of rock and pop varied with each band. At the pop end of the spectrum were Pulp, an eighties pop band who added a few more guitars for their Different Class album; and Blur, a shoegazing band who adopted a smarter, Mod-influenced sound for their Modern Life Is Rubbish album. At the rock end of the spectrum were Oasis, whose influences included early seventies glam and late seventies punk; and Manic Street Preachers, who transformed their American rock sound into something more melodic and British sounding for Everything Must Go.

In cultural terms, Britpop was something more interesting- a danse macabre between class and national identity. Along with race/ethnicity, these are the factors which help define us as individuals and shape the way we respond to the rest of the world. Most of the political and ideological battles of the twentieth century can be understood as conflicts over the relative importance of these factors. Socialists emphasise class, fascists emphasise race; between these extremes, mainstream politicians often implicitly or explicitly use national identity to rally support. It’s a much more inclusive identity than the other two and therefore much more effective. A voter in a British election may be black or white, rich or poor, but they will almost certainly have been born in Britain and therefore be British, even though they may not always feel particularly conscious or proud of that fact.

Select magazine

Class and Nationality

Class fault lines run through British society in the same way that race divisions are fundamental to American society. In Britain, the class divide also manifests itself as a geographical divide between the richer, media-centred South and the poorer, industrial and post-industrial North. Actually, the divide isn’t strictly north-south; economic deprivation corresponds roughly to the distance you are away from London, and so the divide is really a diagonal line running from Gloucester to just south of Grimsby. This, incidentally, puts Wales as well as Scotland in the ‘North’ of the country.

British indie was forged in class division. British punk had much more class rage than American punk, being the preserve of the London underclass rather than Greenwich Village bohemians; consequently, the post-punk and indie scenes which emerged in Britain during the eighties were also predominantly working class. As British indie broke into the mainstream during the early nineties Manchester, the ‘capital of the North’, became the cultural centre of the UK, and the bands which emerged were proud of their working class roots and often emphasised them through their music.

All this was welcome. What was not so welcome was indie’s increasing tendency to wave the flag, a tendency which would lead to the genre being re-labelled ‘Britpop’. Much of this change was driven by the music press, who were at the height of their influence; it was kick-started by a Select magazine cover featuring Suede’s Brett Anderson superimposed over the Union flag and the headline ‘Yanks Go Home!’ in April 1993. Suede, Pulp, Blur and the other emerging indie bands were given the dubious honour of being ambassadors for the nation, valiantly repelling the hordes of American grunge bands which lapped at our shores. In retrospect it all seems very silly, and some of the principle actors recognise it as such. Brett Anderson himself insists “I never wanted to be photographed in front of a flag.”

Blur

So how did the class consciousness of British indie feed into the flag waving nationalism of Britpop? The answer lies is the increasingly globalised nature of modern life. As transport and communication becomes easier as a result of increasingly affordable technology the cultural barriers between nations start to crumble, but only for those who can afford it. The average British working class person has in common with the average American working class person the fact that neither of them has every made a transatlantic flight; as a consequence of this, they are cultural strangers. By contrast the middle classes from both countries will be far more imbibed in the culture of the other; they will be more likely to dress the same way, speak the same way, and listen to the same music. And, as McCarthy once sang, We Are All Bourgeoisie Now. Or rather, we all think we’re bourgeoisie, as we start to achieve lifestyles which were recently only the preserve of the well off.

As globalisation increases, national identity decreases, and the British working class are left behind as the standard bearers for all things British. The other social group which retains its national identity is the ‘old rich’, the traditional ruling class who can afford to embrace other cultures but choose not to- barons, lords, minor royalty, owners of estates and country clubs. In that wonderful barometer of American society which is the Simpsons, British people are always depicted either as working class stereotypes (‘shine yer shoes, guv’nor!’) or upper class twits living in castles and drinking tea. A middle class British person would just be too similar to a middle class American to make for entertaining TV.

Blur and the Manics

The Britpop band which most clearly embraced the ideal of pro-Britishness, anti-globalisation and anti-Americanism was Blur. Nowhere is the concept more clearly represented than in the video for For Tommorow, the lead single from Modern Life Is Rubbish.

The video could almost be an advert for the city by the London Tourist Board. Damon Albarn floats in the Thames and swings from the back of a Routemaster bus. The band plays in the fountains and chase pigeons in Trafalgar Square. Jovial Londoners of all ages sing along to the chorus. Blur’s philosophy, and arguably Britpop’s philosophy, is summed up in the outro chorus, which conveys a Londoner’s feeling of bewilderment with modern life and a yearning for past certainties and a sense of British identity. You can argue, as Roobin does, that Blur were primarily about class consciousness rather than nationalism, but as I have argued above I think their fascination with working class life occurs as a secondary consequence of their fascination with British national identity.

Compare that to the Manics’ A Design For Life, the lead single from Everything Must Go, which deals directly with class conflict and working class pride.

ManicsThere are plenty of distinctly British images in the video; polo playing aristocrats are shown along side horse-mounted policemen clubbing anti-poll tax demonstrators; one of the aforementioned demonstrators clutches his bleeding head and is juxtaposed with a woman in a ridiculous hat at Ascot. But there are also American images in the video; an all-American family gaze at a Cadilac in a showroom, and kids play American football. This makes sense; if class as a concept is to mean anything then it must surely be something which is not confined by national boundaries.

Although many of the images used are associated with national identity, the song is clearly about class; in an inversion of For Tommorow, the British identity portrayed in the video is a secondary consequence of the class conflict which is at the heart of the video. Furthermore, the British identity portrayed is not a nostalgic or idealised but instead paints a picture of a society brutally divided by class conflict. Which, at the time song was released in the dying years of a long and divisive period of Conservative rule, Britain was.

If Britpop was culturally about the interplay between class and nationalism then the Manics represented the former and Blur the latter. This is why the bands are fundamentally different; this is why Nicky Wire described himself as the anti-Damon Albarn. The subject matter of A Design For Life and the nature of the music, which sounded more British than anything the Manics had previously done, meant that the band was suddenly considered a Britpop band and part of the mainstream British indie scene which they had previously despised. Radiohead’s The Bends, released a year previously with a similar sound, did not generate such interest from the music industry as the subject matter did not deal with either class or nationalism, but instead dealt with paranoia, introversion, depression and other topics usually associated with American grunge music.

Geri in union flag dressThe Demise

The demise of Britpop was ugly and messy. The obsession with class and nationalism perpetrated by the media led inevitably to the Spice Girls and Geri Halliwell’s Union flag dress, and an obsession with the fortunes of the English football team during the 1996 European Cup. The combination of class and nationalism is again represented by a national team playing a working class sport; also note the annoying tendency for the media to equate Britain with England. Some have gone as far to say that Britpop died when England lost to Germany on penalties in the semi-final; perhaps it started to die then, but it staggered on through to the election of Tony Blair on the back of a campaign combining nationalism (‘New Labour, New Britain’) with the false promise of a government which would be less hostile towards the working class. Noel Gallagher went to Downing Street for celebratory drinks.

In my view, Britpop finally died with several events which happened in quick succession towards the end of 1997. After their election in May it gradually became clear that New Labour would be just as lying and incompetent as the previous government. Oasis released their awful third album Be Here Now on 21 August. Ten days later, the Princess of Wales was killed in a car accident. The unprecedented outpouring of public grief and hostility towards the Queen and the rest of the Windsor family was the defining culmination of the class and nationalism hysteria. Nationalism, because the royal family are the symbols of the British sovereignty; class, because she was ‘The People’s Princess”, someone who had married into the Windsor family from outside. In actual fact she was just as much of a toff as the rest of them, but that did not matter to most people. She was ‘one of us’, a commoner whose life had been destroyed by the cruelty of the Royal family. London came to a standstill for her funeral. Blair milked the public’s grief with an emotional TV appearance. Elton John stayed at number one for 14 weeks with a remake of song originally written about Marilyn Monroe’s fatal drug overdose. To say it all got a bit silly would be something of an understatement.

Noel Gallagher and Tony BlairThen, Robbie Williams released Angels, and guitar music all but disappeared from the mainstream in Britain. And that was that.

I’d like to end this rather negative and cynical post on something of a positive, so here’s another great Britpop single, from before the whole thing collapsed into shit and ashes. The music is pop and the subject matter is class. Sing along now…



…you’ve ever been molested by Simon Price.

Due to popular demand, I’m posting the link to the rest of the list: Silly Manics fan thing.



{February 3, 2008}   Stay Beautiful

Stay Beautiful is (or should be) an essential club night for culture sluts in London. Run by Manics biographer and music journalist Simon Price and held once a month at the Purple Turtle, the club brings together the best of Camden’s alternative scene without the touristy bullshit. Essentially it’s an excuse to dress up in your most outrageous clothes and get drunk. Last night was the club’s seventh anniversary and the contributors to this blog joined in the festivities.

Live music was provided by excellent electro-pop trio Matinee Club (centre), with Simon Price (bottom) manning the decks for the rest of the evening. Expect sleazy glam, high voltage electro, glitter rock, fucked up disco and pop trash- generally, anything which has a thunderous beat and dirty guitars is likely to get played. The art of a good DJ is to make you dance to stuff you wouldn’t normally dance to and there were plenty of unexpected choices. Gary Glitter, anyone?

But most of the fun is being in an environment which makes you feel positively understated and underdressed by comparison to everyone else. The club is a haven for transvestites, Goths, glam queens, dandies, androgynies, and all manner of extroverts- a parade of humanity’s wonderful variety. The few who had happened upon the club by chance looked most bewildered. Highly recommended, but not for the narrow-minded.

Stay Beautiful 2

Stay Beautiful 1

Stay Beautiful 3



{December 15, 2007}   Little Baby Nothing



There’s something a bit special about seeing Manic Street Preachers in Cardiff. Given that it’s the nearest place of any size to the band’s hometown of Blackwood it’s not surprising that the city should have a huge contingent of fans, but the mark of Manics fans has always been their devotion rather than their quantity and that’s certainly evident tonight. You know you’re at a Manics gigs by the stray feather boa feathers floating around the venue, the home-made t-shirts spray painted with political and philosophical quotes, the leopard skin jackets, the dyed hair, the eyeliner and glitter. (If you can’t visualise this then Flickr is your friend, try here and here.) Also the fact that this style of dress seems to have been adopted with enthusiasm by both genders- and there are a lot of girls here, far more than at your average hard rock gig. When you’re surrounded by so many other cultural aberrations, you feel a little less weird, a little less self-concious. Which is of course precisely the point. As with punk, it’s a state of mind, not a uniform.

It’s been over fifteen years since the Manics first unleashed their cultural terrorism on the world. Since then they’ve gone from punk/metal agitators to ultra-nihilists, then to darlings of the Britpop establishment, then to relative obscurity as they explored musical avenues farther removed from their original incarnation. Latest album Send Away The Tigers returns to more successful musical territory, striking a mid point between Generation Terrorists and Everything Must Go and sounding more natural and more Manics than anything they’ve released in the last ten years. It may not have the anthemic singles of Everything Must Go or the intellectual rigour of The Holy Bible or the guitar pyrotechnics of Generation Terrorists, but it is the sound of the Manics remembering who they are and us remembering why we fell in love with them in the first place. Leave all this material belief/Remember the reasons that made us be.

It’s fitting, then, that the Cardiff gig feels even more like a homecoming than usual. After excellent support band Cherry Ghost have entertained with their brooding Doves-esque atmospheric rock, the stage curtain raises on a massive leopard skin backdrop and the sound of synthesised strings fill the air. James Dean Bradfield adds in the riff to Motorcycle Emptiness, and off we go.

Then Autumnsong, followed by You Love Us. Military uniforms seem to be the order of the day, and a noticeably leaner Bradfield is drenched in sweat after ten minutes. You know what I was saying about playing your songs with intensity, like they actual mean something? Crowd anarchy occurs during an unexpected rendition of Slash ‘n’ Burn, an song with an impossibly fiddly metal riff dedicated “to all those who came to see us at Treforest Tech 20 years ago.” The recent addition of a second touring guitarist beefs up the sound considerably, and 1985 has a raw power not heard on the studio recording. Policemen battle striking miners on the video screens.

The set is heavy on songs from Generation Terrorists, and from Send Away The Tigers we get the three singles plus the title track. Know Your Enemy, Lifeblood and The Holy Bible contribute just one track each to the set list, with She Is Suffering dedicated to missing band member Richey Edwards and legendary Cardiff independent music shop Spillers Records- “Richey’s first university, where he bought the records which inspired him to write all those songs.” During an acoustic interlude Bradfield plays solo versions of The Everlasting and Suicide Is Painless- “Our first proper hit, recorded about five minutes away from here, in an amazing fucking studio called Soundspace. And Cardiff city council knocked it fucking down, in their wisdom.”

Nicky Wire returns wearing a ridiculously short pink mini-skirt for the last few songs. Bradfield launches into a rendition of the Cult’s She Sells Sanctuary, but diverts into Motown Junk after a verse. Then the welcome surprise of Little Baby Nothing, and the anthemic Design For Life to finish. Welsh crowds are renownded for their singing and tonight they don’t disapoint. ‘HOPE LIES WITH THE PROLES’ flashes up on the screens.

So yeah, it was fun. If you want some more Manics, they’ve released a fairly cheesy Christmas single, which you can get from their site as a free download. You know you want to.



{October 25, 2007}   Interview with Simon Price

Last April, I went to London to meet and interview Simon Price for my dissertation about androgyny in rock music that I was writing at the time. I was pretty nervous about meeting him, because I’m rather in awe of anyone who is a big, grown-up, published author, and a friend of the Manic Street Preachers, but I thought the interview went pretty well, despite my questions being a bit schizophrenic. Anyways, here’s a transcription of the interview with the man himself:

 

Simon Price

 

 

 

Alexis: So tell me about your nightclub here, like who plays there?

Price: We have live gigs there and DJs, it’s a very glamorous, androgynous place, glitter rock place. So we have people like Peaches and Nicky Wire, who have played there live.

Alexis: Have you ever encountered any negative attitudes towards your club here?

Price: Well, London’s pretty open, but lots of places aren’t- that’s why I left South Wales to come here- I just didn’t fit in. It’s very macho, they’re into sports and rugby and drinking; it’s very manly. And lots of people come from great distances every month to come to our club night. We’ve had people from as far as Norway, Denmark, and Ireland, who feel they don’t fit in where they live come and visit us.

Alexis: Wow, that’s impressive!

Price: Yes, it is.

Alexis: Do you think the Manics made androgyny acceptable in South Wales, has it changed at all?

Price: I don’t think it’s changed that much. They made being from Wales cool, and a bunch of bands came from Wales right after them. But they are sort of seen as something novel in Wales and are only just tolerated. I mean, Nicky Wire can walk around in his fur coats and dresses, but no one else can.

Alexis: Ah. Well, what about metal? Isn’t it really big in South Wales? And Metal can be quite androgynous- you know bands like Poison. How do they reckon with that?

Price: Metal is an interesting one, metal borrows a lot from gay culture, but they wouldn’t admit it. Like Axl Rose wearing assless chaps, that’s a very homosexual look, but they would deny it. They take gay culture and try as hard as they can to make it macho and hetero. And another example, do you know all those guys with holes in their jeans?

Alexis: (Nods)

Price: Well, in Prison when a guy has ripped trousers like that, you know he’s one of the guys who gives oral sex. So that’s where they get that ripped look from.

Alexis: I didn’t know that…

Price: Yeah…

Alexis: So, you’ve been writing for a while, 15 years?

Price: Oh, more than 20! I started writing for the local paper when I was in secondary school. And then when I came here to London for university, I was studying French and philosophy, and I was going to France for my course, and Melody Maker asked me to write about what was going on over there. So I did and then I wrote for Melody Maker for 9 years. Now I have a weekly Sunday column in The Independent.

Alexis: So you’ve been around for a while! I was gonna ask if you noticed any trends in androgyny and sexuality in rock during that time. I guess I also mean trends in public reactions and stuff…

Price: Well, I got started at the end of the 80s when metal was giving way to other things- grunge in the US, which was a very blokey thing, with the lumberjack look, people were growing beards again. In the UK, it was the same- the early 90s were quite macho, with the exception of the Manics and Suede who were feminine in a way that no one had been since the Smiths, (and they were 10 years earlier.) Then you had riot grrrl in the US, which we had too in the UK. And various alternative indie scenes, and dance club scenes, so even though people think of the 90s as quite macho with Nirvana and Oasis on the one side and the Spice Girls on the other, there was still a lot of sexual deviance going on. Well, and Kurt Cobain exemplifies this- he wasn’t always manly either, he wore eyeliner.

Alexis: He dressed in drag sometimes too, didn’t he?

Price: Yeah, he did. Though he was an exception, most of grunge was very stripped down- a pulling off of the makeup of metal and the whole 80s scene, whereas bands like the manics were still putting it on. And the late 90s were very open, you had the whole emo scene, which allowed men to be sensitive, which really shouldn’t be a feminine thing, but it is. Now, I think we’ve kind of come full circle and we’re very macho again. Lots of bands are just skinny white boys that make lots of noise, and they’re very macho about it, very hetero.

Alexis: You mentioned riot grrrl in the UK, what was it like here? I’ve read more about it in the US

Price: Well, Huggy Bear was the main band here, they followed Bikini Kill in the US, and never really had a hit. There were lots of riot grrrl bands, but they weren’t very good.

Alexis: Maybe they weren’t really aiming for that?

Price: Yeah, they weren’t. You only have to be as good as what you want to get across. It was an equalizing movement, because they didn’t have to be virtuosic, they took the blokey guitar solos and power chords and made them their own, which is very feminist.

Alexis: Just curious, do you think an androgynous sound exists?

Price: What do you mean?

Alexis: Well, with non-vocal music, say classical, people talk about male and female elements of the music, so it makes sense that there is something in between those. I dunno, some writers that I’ve been reading have argued for an androgynous sound, but they don’t really say what that sound might be.

Price: Yeah, I guess so. In the 90s there was a movement called shoe-rock, that bands like “My Bloody Valentine” were a part of. They took the power chords and macho things out of rock, and can be described as being sort of womb-like. But I would be uncomfortable labelling a sound as masculine, feminine, or androgynous.

Alexis: What was that? Shoe-rock?

Price: Yeah. Shoe-rock… but on the other hand, I’d like to see people in the music press expressing strong opinions like that… I’m actually talking about this at a panel discussion later, but Id like to hear a band being labelled as sounding androgynous even if I disagreed, because it would be refreshing to read a strong opinion.

Alexis: It hard for me to hear lots of sounds as androgynous, I dunno, I guess so many sounds have been reclaimed by everyone that it’s hard for me to hear them as gendered, except for electronica, it sounds very androgynous to me… what do you think about electronica?

Price: It’s often very machine, very un-human, very robotic, un-sexual, I quite like that though.

Alexis: What do you think about Peaches, as a woman in electronica, who manages to be very sexual?

Price: I have so much respect for Peaches, I just love her. She has the nerve to be in your face about sex, in a way that’s sometimes quite scary, really. And then she goes and does things like poses for an album cover with a fake beard. She’s great, she’s played at our club before. But she’s never going to be mainstream or get radio play, she’s a bit too blunt.

Alexis: Sort of to switch topics a little, what do you think about homosexuality and rap or hip hop? I know of a small scene in San Francisco, but no one mainstream. It’s just odd that a genre which has spawned so many sub-scenes doesn’t have a place of a gay sub-scene.

Price: Well, there’re reasons for that. Minority groups or people who are economically down tend to have very conservative views. I’m not excusing it though. I think maybe Outkast would be one exception, but beyond them, it needs to develop more in the underground, before it will ever become mainstream and that will take a while.

Alexis: Is there much of a gay underground hip hop scene here in London?

Price: Yes, a small one. But like I said, it needs to develop even more, beyond what it already is, if it wants to become mainstream.

Alexis: ah, I see. Oh, and I have to ask… what do you think of the new Manics album? And what’s their direction for the future?

Price: It’s hard for me to rank their albums because I like them all, and I like this one too. “Underdogs” is a good track, I like their single, and also the title track. “Imperial bodybags”- I was glad to hear that one, because they are really going to be lyrically relevant and say something. It’s nice to hear, many bands aren’t as literate today, and are afraid of saying bold things like that, but they never were.

Alexis: Why do you think they never broke America?

Price: Well, there’s no shame in it really; they tried, but America wasn’t ready, America was into grunge at the time. And the Americans that were into Brit-pop wanted a very specific style- a very literate, university style. Well, the Manics are very literate too, but their sound is very American, maybe too American for those who were into Brit Pop; they just wanted Blur. And the Manics were pushed very heavily by record companies in LA, but maybe the people who would have liked them weren’t in LA, their potential fans could have been elsewhere. But I think it’s okay, and they’re fine with it. Lots of bands burn out trying to conquer America- they go on 18 month tours and then they come home and break up. It’s okay for the Manics to be an only British phenomenon. I mean, there’s a lot of musicians like the Manics, such as Bowie, or T. Rex, the Cure, or Suede who haven’t really cracked America. They might have one or two hits over there but it’s not like it is over here, they don’t have the fanatical audiences over there.

Alexis: Heh, that’s funny, because I knew about the Manics before coming to Britain, but I had no idea they were as big as they are, the fan culture kind of took me by surprise. It’s a pity it’s not in America, because I would have probably really enjoyed it as a teenager.

Price: How did you hear about them over there?

Alexis: They were recommended by a friend who was really into Brit pop, and I sort of liked their name, silly reason I guess, but I went to every record store in my area and only came up with their best of, but I liked that a lot…

Alexis: Well, I guess we’re mostly out of time. Thank you so much for this, you’re a big help, and it was great meeting you, I guess I’m sort of a fan of yours too.

Price: I’m really flattered by that. And it’s no problem, I like talking about this stuff anyways.

Stay Beautiful Club, run by Simon Price

Stay Beautiful Club (a night club run by Simon Price)… Hey can we go there in January?



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